Showing posts with label Scangauge. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Scangauge. Show all posts

Monday, May 30, 2011

Killer mileage



41.1 miles, mostly pulse and glide, Scangauge very conservative. MFD would read around 86 for this result. I got redirected twice cause of Memorial Day celebrations, hard to believe it would have been higher without the slowing and accelerating for low-speed detours.

In case you're wondering, the Prius display is showing the average over the last three tanks, doesn't reflect the craziness that is the current tank.

One of the main things I did, just like the previous day to Boston, was to have relatively long, gentle accelerations that would go with the terrain. This would allow me to keep the state of charge as high as possible (I basically had 6 blue bars all the time, would try not to dip below 58% SOC). This might mean the engine is on longer, but if you can go up a gentle uphill at 30 mph getting 40-50 mpg and simultaneously charging the battery, I don't see how it can be beat from a daily driving, practical standpoint.

Interesting thing about that - now that I'm "trained" with a Scangauge, I frankly don't need it once I'm in stage 4. Everything I did today could be done without it. I will keep it, however, to know when the coolant reaches that magic 157°F :-)

Friday, April 1, 2011

Prius-ing with Hobbit

fyi: non-Prius users will find this post relatively useless, except pretty pictures at the end :-) Prius drivers, read on.

Tuesday morning I headed up toward Boston to meet Hobbit. He had very kindly offered to meet and show me his highway techniques in person, since I had largely failed in the couple highway trips I had tried. I would usually get a little over 50 mpg, and felt like I was constantly jerkily speeding and slowing, speeding and slowing. It didn't feel like the right way, and the poor results confirmed it. From reading others' experiences on the PriusChat forums, I got the feeling this is a common problem.

I got up a little earlier than needed and attempted to hypermile up on unfamiliar back roads. End result: 65.5 mpg over 61 miles or so in clear, low- to mid-40°F weather. I was hoping for 70, but I killed my chances near the beginning getting stuck in a traffic jam on the ascent of a bridge while in stage 3. It was also prime school bus time, and the stops were frequent and many.

After a rather time consuming drive, I pulled into the parking lot where we'd agreed to meet and called Hobbit. He said he was parked at the parking lot perimeter - well, it wasn't too hard to spot him. Here's our Prii together. Even if you're not already familiar with Hobbit's site, you can probably guess which one is his.





We headed out onto route 93/128/1/95 (yes, it's that confusing) in Hobbit's car. Driving with him is something of an experience - I won't spoil the surprise in case a serendipitous series of events ever puts you into this situation, but suffice to say he's very into following distance.

Now for the driving technique. His sweet spot posts (first one, second one) clearly delineate the need to accelerate at an output of pretty much 15 kW. I was a bit surprised to see him jump straight to 25 kW as we merged onto the highway heading uphill. He explained it was important to just get to speed and not interrupt the flow of traffic, and plus you need more juice heading up a hill to keep moving. He eased up toward 15 kW near the crest, and, much to my surprise, didn't go into warp stealth on the downside. He used it to continue accelerating to an ideal speed (in the first part of our ride this would tend toward the low 60 mphs), and then continued a steady, slow acceleration up the next slight hill, too. At this point, even though I was watching kW since that's what he talked about a lot in his article, he was really watching the RPMs. He liked to keep it under 2000 RPM in some of these initial accelerations. The thing that struck me here was that he wasn't concerned if he was accelerating at 30-40 mpg for a good distance; it was all about accelerating at the most efficient state possible for a situation, and not at all babying the accelerator for the instant gratification of high instant mpgs on the display.

He then regularly started using warp stealth when he felt it was appropriate on downhill segments. He would keep burning if needed, like if there was a truck coming up quickly behind us. It's interesting to know that he often would accelerate slightly harder if heading up a hill, to keep gradually accelerating over what felt like a good deal of time - maybe 1 mph increase every 5 seconds, for example. In these cases it wouldn't be unusual to see 17 or 18 kW.

I asked about SHM - he said he doesn't believe in it, and never uses it (!). This is hugely counterintuitive, but we've all seen the 65 and 70 mpg highway photos of his over long trips, which brings up another point. If you drive for 5 or 10 minutes only on the highway each day, you may get some nice highway bars, but your overall mileage will very unlikely be up near 60, barring clement terrain. The mileage will play out over time.

Result: despite feeling like we were burning at relatively low instant mpgs for some time (anywhere from 30-50), the consumption display showed some nice bars of our highway time up near 75 mpg, and all of them were easily over 50.

It was then my turn to try it out in Wentworth. It was rather difficult to keep the feeling of 15 kW in my pedal foot, since a. I wasn't used to it, b. Scangauge has quite the lag on updating kW, and c. if I found myself going at 18 kW, I would let up just a bit, thinking it would bump down to 15, only to find myself at an inefficient 12 or 13 kW. It requires a precision more demanding than a standard glide. Despite this, Hobbit told me several times that it's important to get the feeling in your foot so you don't have to stare at the Scangauge while driving. Typically, if your instant mpg is at 75% the value of your speed in mph, you're right in the sweet spot. On the slightly harder climbs, this ratio would sometimes dip to 66% or so while Hobbit was driving.

I was constantly under the impression that my bars would return 40 mpg given how long and relatively hard the acceleration was, but miraculously all the highway bars were over 50, and there was a nice 75 mpg bar somewhere in there. It's completely counterintuitive to the non-instrumented driver.

Coming back to the parking lot, we found another Prius had sought out a parking space near Hobbit, and the opportunity was used as an excuse for a Prius photoshoot.



After a nice food court meal (Hobbit finally had to put on his shoes to go in the building :-D), I headed out on the highway to drive home, wondering how this would work in normal traffic.

At 15 kW, I found myself going surprisingly fast - it got me quite easily up to 70 mph on a couple occasions, easily faster than I've driven in four months. I would then bleed some of that speed with warp stealth, and up the mileage went. At first my mileage was in the 40s, it quickly rose sharply toward 50. I maintained 15 kW religiously, with the occasional foray into 17-18 kW territory. The mpgs kept increasing with warp stealth glides - 54, 55, 56, 57. Like any technique, it was also dependent on terrain to some extent. As route 24 got hillier, or at least was heading uphill in general for many miles, the mileage slowly came back down to 54. There were almost no opportunities to use warp stealth. While I've driven route 24 from time to time in the past, especially when I was at school in Boston, I didn't really have an intimate knowledge of the terrain coming up, so I imagine there were plenty of instances where something could have been done "better".

Nonetheless I kept on, and to get home, there were two semi-exits to take and two corresponding major accelerations to merge back onto the highway . Toward the end of the ride, where I knew the terrain well, I knew there was a couple mile long stretch where I could mostly use warp stealth, and was rewarded with the second to last bar you'll see below. The last bar I was off the highway, taking advantage of full hybrid capabilities.

Results of the trip: 58.5 mpg displayed over 51 miles (Scangauge inaccurately higher, but looks nice!), which is much better than the 50 or so I would usually get. Also keep in mind that the 2007 Prius, when adjusted for the EPA's 2008 mileage test adjustments, is only rated at 45 mpg on the highway. Hobbit's technique easily yielded at least 25% higher.



Despite the latter half being the uphill/accelerate onto other highways part, and thus lots of 50 mpg bars that you see in the picture, the first part of the trip had several 60 and 75 mpg bars once I was on the highway. Considering I was inching toward 60 mpg on my first try ever, it's pretty exciting to see how much potential is in this approach, since presumably with practice you'd improve. The one major downside is that your foot will get way more tired than pulsing and gliding, since you need a constant, precise pressure applied, either in the finicky 15 kW pedal position or the slight play you get with warp stealth. PriusChat user pEEf confirmed to me that neutral is safe at any speed with the engine running, so that may be a possibility to give your right foot some exercise from time to time in place of warp stealth (though as a side note, Hobbit was absolutely certain that his gas engine does not start at 52 mph when in neutral from a glide under 42 mph (see post #22). He said he's gone up to 70 mph or so in an engine-off neutral glide. Perhaps this is a difference in model years? Hobbit drives a 2004, pEEf a 2008).

I also want to note I never saw him head up to 3000 rpm once we were up at speed. From reading forum posts some people tried that regularly without good results - my feeling (Hobbit, correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's only to be used if you're at your mph floor and you're heading up a particularly tough hill. It's not something to do all the time (just the opposite!), and I don't think he meant to advocate it, if some read it that way.

In related news, that day, with its near-50°F temps later on and another trip I made with a warmed up engine, made for some great results. Even later at night down in the 30s, I got a record mpg number for a particular trip. Nice day for driving overall!

First time I saw 80 in the middle of an actual commute.




The end result. Admittedly the engine was warm before I left...




Trip record on another route. Notice the temperature!




One day after, guess the crazy mileage of the previous day carried over. From a cold engine start!!

Monday, March 28, 2011

Scangauge/Multi-function display discrepancy

First part of the trip that told me something nice was coming. Thank you Scangauge for telling me the exact moment I could start pulsing and gliding.



The end result - not quite the MFD record of 73.3 mpg, but I had a couple aborted pulses and tough red lights. I also tried shorter pulses and some lightly EV-assisted glides which largely seemed to help while heading uphill, especially as I compare the bars around the low mileage bar with the ones in the trip record pic.



Now, which to believe? The 2-3% discrepancy between Scangauge and the Prius is not huge, but just enough to be a little annoying. I'm hoping the Scangauge calibration process that takes a couple fill-ups will help with this. In any case I'll take that mileage any day! Of course, the trip you see is the way home - the way there is just barely over 60 mpg, with more uphills, so the average for the roundtrip is 66 mpg, making me wonder if with my commute if it's possible to ever reach 70 mpg on a tank...

EDIT, 3/30/2011: Continues to be off a bit, but happened to get an identical 67.8 mpg from both Scangauge and MFD this morning on a short 7 mile trip. Filling up soon to hopefully calibrate better.

Wednesday, March 23, 2011

The Scangauge has arrived!

Awesome mpg in a regular commute (no, I didn't hold up traffic to do this...), 71.8 mpg over 12.1 miles in slow, one-lane traffic over a half hour or so with Scangauge. Usually only get 60-65 mpg on this trip without extra instrumentation. You also see in the background my current mpg for the entire tank on the Prius' display.


The Scangauge, as many Prius regulars know, is a nifty little device you hook up to your OBDII port, the port usually found under the steering column above the gas pedal in many cars that mechanics will use to communicate with a car's computer. For non-Prius regulars, it basically is a little screen that displays various real-time operating conditions in whatever car you decide to use it, including instantaneous miles per gallon, as well as providing you with things like average speed, top speed, and overall mileage for the current trip, day, previous day, and tank.

I was pretty reticent to get it, mostly because of its $160 pricetag, and for someone already getting near 60 mpg, I couldn't imagine how it would help improve my fuel economy enough to pay for itself. It's not even a device that gives you better mileage, it's just a display of various info that you have to put into action.

Luckily I had saved up a boatload of Amazon.com gift certificates, and was getting increasingly curious about the inner workings of the Prius, so I sprang for it, and just got it today.

I headed out for a test run, hooked up the device, and set a couple parameters out of the dozens offered that seemed most useful for my non-highway driving or which piqued my interest for odd reasons:

-Engine revolutions per minute - that's right, a Prius does not have a standard tachometer, ugh (RPM)
-Engine coolant temperature (FWT)
-Traction battery current (BTA - added as XGauge)
-Percentage of gas pedal depression (Gps - added as XGauge)
-Average trip mpg (AVG)

You may wonder why I had average trip mpg on when the Prius can do that itself. Firstly, the Prius typically overestimates by 5% or so. Secondly, to test that very issue out, I haven't been resetting it for each trip on this tank of gas, but rather letting the overall mpg build over several hundred miles to compare the end result with the hand-calculated mileage I'll get when I fill up next week.

Later on in the day I drove to work, and discovered a couple things.

Revolutions per minute

The first change to my driving was rate of acceleration. From a stop I had been accelerating what felt like a nice, fuel-efficient conservative pace, but which was in fact far too slow and laborious. When there was a clear road, I would accelerate to about 15 mph using electric only per a comment of Wayne Gerdes at cleanmpg.com, then engage the gas engine, but had been accelerating from that point with RPM a couple hundred too low. Today I tried accelerating to speed between 1400-1600 rpm depending on the terrain, and trying to keep it right around 1500 most of the time, and as you saw above, had a wonderful series of five-minute bars with gliding.

Here is an older mileage pic over basically the same route. Compare to above.



Just visually it's obvious that accelerating around 1500 rpm is much more efficient for pulse and glide than what I was doing before. For non-instrumented fellow Prius owners, note that typically this acceleration had the instant mpg showing about 85%-100% of the current mph value. Occasionally I was deadbanding (no arrows to or from battery on energy screen) during these pulses, but when possible I would ease up to get some flow into the battery.

Coolant temperature

The Prius has several stages of operation, explained in this famous posting by Hobbit. To sum up for non-link readers, you can measure which stage the engine is in by monitoring the coolant temperature as it heats up. One of the key temperatures to reach is 163.4°F, or 158°F, depending what you read, and at that moment, assuming a couple other parameters are in place, you have use of full hybrid operation, including the essential option of turning the engine off for a glide, or using electric vehicle (EV) mode if desired.

One of the huge annoyances, especially in the winter, is running into a big downhill in the first few minutes of driving. If the engine hasn't warmed up to 158°F yet, you're going to burn gas while going downhill in your Prius, whether you like it or not. The magic of having the coolant temps right in front of you is being able to approximate how soon you'll arrive at full hybrid mode, and perhaps use the engine a bit more if needed for temp maintenance. You then know the exact second when you can switch to its most efficient state of operation, the glide. Today my warmup phase was a good percentage more efficient than in the past with this knowledge, and I also managed, on my required short trips between clients of about 3 miles, 3 miles, and 4 miles, to get 60 mpg, 50 mpg, and 50 mpg, respectively. How many 3-mile trips do you usually get 60 mpg on?!? Only possible with the perfect timing afforded by the Scangauge.

Traction battery current

There have been plenty of debates on the use of EV, and its potential deleterious effects on mileage. For non-Prius owners, you might be surprised to learn that EV mode is actually rarely desirable, since much of the energy from the battery comes from the gas engine - you're burning gas and converting energy back and forth to charge the battery, so technically it's more efficient to avoid conversion losses and just go for straight pulse or straight glide. The thing is, from observations today...

Sitting in park: 0.9 to 1.0 amps
Use of headlights: +1.2 amps to current current (muwaha)
Neutral glide: 1-2 amps
Foot off the pedal creep from zero mph: 3 amps
Glide in drive: 5-6 amps
Warp stealth with little accelerator demand: 10 amps
Accelerating lightly from a stop = 20-30 amps
Accelerating after first turning on the car (exclusive battery use while engine warms up): 50 amps or more(!!)

So, back to the statements that EV will harm fuel economy...in a couple situations where I had to go 20-25 mph and wanted to avoid the inefficient ICE at that point, I could just or almost maintain speed with 7-10 amps. EV with a light touch on the pedal is an almost inconsequential increase in battery use, in fact, even less than warp stealth use. It can be used even somewhat extensively over a small distance with less depletion on the battery than accelerating from 0-15 mph in EV, for example. Even going to 15 amps, knowing that pulsing can provide a similar value back into the battery, doesn't seem so egregious anymore.

I will add a caveat, and this is what others had warned about. Even a slight increase in gas pedal depression will bring you right up to 25+ amps, and this is what should likely be avoided for long periods. Yet another little detail impossible to perceive without the Scangauge or other instrumentation.

For preliminary conclusions as to its effectiveness, I'd say the Scangauge won my respect right off the bat, and I easily got 10% better mileage than the already high mileage I was getting. While it might take me a year or two to recoup the money in improved gas mileage for my high mileage habits, someone driving 12,000 miles a year in a 20 mpg vehicle that jumps to 25 mpg will recoup the money in a couple months, and continue to easily save hundreds of dollars a year after that.